The electric vehicle availability standard is key for reducing long-term emissions from transportation. It's the kind of thing that has an enormous cumulative impact. As a vehicle fleet turns over, in the first few years you don't see big reductions, but then you see really big ones.
In terms of definitely getting to our longer-term climate goals, the electric vehicle standard is key. One thing, I think, that is really challenging right now is that we're seeing some backtracking on some of the existing policies at the federal level, which already weren't going to achieve our stated climate goal, but if we build another new pipeline, it's only going to be built with public money in some way or another. They might find creative ways to subsidize it, over enormous resistance—
