Over the course of my career, I have witnessed several examples of a program rolling out and then being cancelled abruptly with celebrations of its success. Some of the programs that were being offered at the federal level to support building retrofits faced, unfortunately, a similar story. They were cancelled very abruptly, with press releases that mentioned the great success they had when they were in place. It's always a sad tale when those are rolled back.
I will say that the previous federal supports we had for building retrofits were making a difference. In particular, they were making a difference for renters and for lower-income communities where it can be a lot more difficult for folks to access these kinds of programs.
I'll offer an example from my experience working in Nova Scotia. We actually developed a stand-alone energy efficiency utility. This is one approach I've seen that works very well for incentivizing these kinds of home- and business-based retrofits. It can create a huge workforce and can train up that workforce. A lot of the conversation we need to have is not just about making money in Canada but also about creating jobs.