Evidence of meeting #15 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was backlog.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

J. Alan Leadbeater  Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada
Ruth McEwan  Director General, Corporate Services, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

4:30 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

Yes, and that $434,000 was pulled out; it was one of the deductions. Then we had $2.8 million added in by the panel. We had collective agreements of $298,000. We had an adjustment of employee benefits, which pulled out another $53,000. With the total additional funds we received, our overall budget became $8.1 million.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

All right.

4:30 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

And Ruth McEwan just pointed out to me that of the additional funds we obtained from the panel—the $2.8 million—about $868,000 related to the backlog.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

I guess where I'm going on this thing is that we're continually talking about a backlog. Can you tell us how this additional money you got for this year helped the backlog specifically in this year? How has the backlog been improved with that extra funding?

4:30 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

Yes, again I'll take you back to our annual report, and we....

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

I want to know what we got for $800,000.

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

Well, remember, the $800,000 is for this fiscal year that we're working in, and for the last fiscal year there was the $400,000 that we thought we were going to have but that was taken away from us. Remember, that was the note in the—

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

Yes.

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

We started 2005-06 with 1,365 backlogged cases. We completed 1,319 cases during the year. We had come in the door with 1,408 cases, with 1,454 cases pending at the end of the year.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

So 46 cases cost us $800,000?

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

Well, no, but my explanation before was that when we're working without the additional investigators that we have now been given the money for, we keep adding to the backlog every time we close a backlog case, because the new cases coming in the door keep adding onto that. So the issue is that until we get these new people in chairs, we are still going to have this revolving door.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

I understand that. I just want to know what you did with the money you were given. That's all I want to know.

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

We reduced the growth of the backlog.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

By how many cases?

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

I don't have the figures for all the previous years, but the backlog was growing by probably 300 to 400 cases every year. This year, it grew by only 100 cases, so we've successfully retarded the growth of the backlog.

That's not good enough for us. We have this plan to completely get rid of the backlog, but we have to have the investigators to do it.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

I understand that. I guess I'm looking at the chart that really shows no difference, and I don't know where it is. Four years from now, you hope to eliminate the backlog. Is that right?

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

Yes, but we'll have 16 more investigators.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

That's if you get more space. Tell us about that.

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

I can only tell you that with my discussion with the deputy minister, David Marshall, he has asked me to tell this committee that he is aware of the problem and intends to solve the problem.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

Yes.

What do you think of the process with the advisory panel? You've talked about timing--I don't know what that means--and you've talked about in camera. Generally speaking, what do you think of it, other than the fact that it has no status?

4:35 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

How I think all of us envisage this is that there should be a committee, a properly established committee of the House and Senate. We are officers of Parliament, not just the House of Commons. It should operate in public. It should have a sufficiently well-staffed group to become familiar with the details of budgets. Committees that look at estimates don't traditionally have the time and the energy to get involved in the details of budgets. But a committee that's actually going to make recommendations for funds that are going to be binding during the pilot period on the Treasury Board of Canada needs to have proper support, and it needs to come in the planning cycle earlier. There's not much good having this done in October or November when, in our planning cycle, we can't get it into the main estimates. We can barely get it into the supplementary estimates at that point. So it needs to be done earlier in the process.

All officers of Parliament and the Treasury Board have agreed that we'll do an evaluation of the pilot project after the end of 2007-08, which is the second year of the pilot, and when every one of the officers of Parliament has been through the process. Now, only two officers of Parliament have been through it.

As I'm being critical, I'm trying to be positively critical in the sense that we need to have a proper evaluation before we really know whether this is something that's worth doing or whether this committee or another committee should do it.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

Does the advisory committee receive advice from anyone other than the Treasury Board that you know of?

4:40 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

Other than the officers themselves, only the Treasury Board, I think.

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Vice-Chair Conservative David Tilson

Can you tell us, of your staff, the people who work for the commission, the percentage increase of salaries for last year?

4:40 p.m.

Deputy Information Commissioner, Office of the Information Commissioner of Canada

J. Alan Leadbeater

I think collective agreement changes were 2.2%.