Evidence of meeting #40 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

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pointamendmentpublic office holdersethical practicespleaseelectionsvan kesteren

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas

An hon. member

I still have the floor, right?

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Yes.

Please, the relevance issue of the Bloc is--

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

This is important, because in your ruling you said that other parties could be political parties or individuals.

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Who are public officers--but it has to be within our mandate.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

A political party can't be a public office holder, yet you said that was one of the categories.

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

No.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Yes, you did.

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An hon. member

You did.

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Excuse me?

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Mr. Chair, can you just answer one question?

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Are you agreeing that a party cannot be a public office holder? Are you agreeing to that?

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Excuse me. Order, please.

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Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Are you agreeing to that question?

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order, please. That's the third time.

Do you want one more?

Listen. I want to try to give you the explanation, because you're very skilled at putting words in people's mouths.

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An hon. member

That's exactly what he said.

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I will indicate to you that when we say “investigating the actions of the Conservative Party”, the Conservative Party is not a public office holder.

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Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

We understand that, but we are dealing with the ethical practices of the persons named by Elections Canada. Okay?

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

That's not what it says. It says:

...investigate the actions of the Conservative Party of Canada during the 2006 election.

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

And it says:

...to determine if these actions meet the ethical standards expected of public office holders.

It is with regard to the candidates.

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An hon. member

It says the party, not the candidates.

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An hon. member

It doesn't say “investigate the candidates”; it says “investigate...the Conservative Party of Canada”.

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An hon. member

This is out of order.

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The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

No.

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