Evidence of meeting #40 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was point.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Richard Rumas

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I asked too many times--

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I've moved amendments; they have not been supported, but that doesn't mean I can't talk to the main motion.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

I'm sorry; there are too many--

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

You can be sorry all you want, but I still have the floor--

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

It is persistent interruptions. It is arguing with the chair after rulings have been made and decisions have been taken.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

You've overruled some of my amendments.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

You'll be able to get on afterwards. I'm giving the floor to Mr. Poilievre.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I want back on the speakers list, and that is legal.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Chair, before I begin speaking, out of respect....

Excuse me. Now you're speaking out of turn, I might add.

I understand there are some ceremonies going on to recognize tomorrow's intended apology to the aboriginal people who were forced to take part in residential schools. I understand there are members in this room who wish to participate in those proceedings.

I wonder if you would consider adjourning until after those proceedings are over, and then we could come back. Would that be in order, Chair?

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

We have just spent two hours and we haven't even gotten to the points on the motion before us, but it's up to....

Are you moving adjournment or suspension until some time? Is that the idea?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

We could start with an adjournment, and then I would be open to entertaining an amendment to perhaps return at, say, 11:30 p.m. or next Thursday, whichever you would prefer. It could be the next scheduled meeting.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Okay.

The motion is basically to adjourn until our next meeting. We have to put the question. Do you want a recorded division on this? Okay, a recorded division.

(Motion negatived: nays 6; yeas 5)

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

We'll carry on.

Mr. Poilievre, carry on with your intervention, please.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

That is disappointing and surprising.

Chair, you've made the point today that you would rule out of order an investigation into your party, the Liberal Party, and you have acted very aggressively to ensure that Liberal practices at election time are not investigated and do not come under any scrutiny in this House, in this chamber, in this committee. You have indicated you were willing to hear investigations into the actions of previous public office holders--Mulroney being a great example--as long as those public officers are not Liberals, in which case there can be no investigation. Your reading of the Standing Orders is that Liberals cannot be made subject to any scrutiny before your committee.

5:35 p.m.

An hon. member

Oh, come on.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Order.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I have the floor.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

When I say “Order”, I have the floor.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Then get yourself in order.

5:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Whoa.

5:35 p.m.

An hon. member

Unbelievable.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I have the floor.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Paul Szabo

Would you turn off his mike, please.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

You can't simply silence someone because they're putting something on the record that you don't like.

5:35 p.m.

An hon. member

Go for another walk. You need some time.