Yes. Mr. Massmann was the one who took over, and there was a very simple reason. Since I was so exposed with DND during the Mulroney time, it didn't make any sense for me to go there. So I took myself back, and Mr. Massmann, who was the president, took over with Mr. Alford, and they visited the people.
On December 4th, 2007. See this statement in context.