The first payment was at Mirabel, and--I found this, by the way--all the meetings were arranged by Fred Doucet, not on my request. He was always asking, all through the December meetings. I found a note that I should call there and meet him, so we met at the Queen Elizabeth. But this was the first time after Kim Campbell did not win the election. So now I knew he had his problems and I had somehow a feeling--and I think I was pretty right--that he would be a pretty good lobbyist, as he is at the moment for many international companies, and we may be able to use him for something, so let's give him some briefs at the moment, and that's....
On December 4th, 2007. See this statement in context.