Well, he never was a close friend of mine. In order to be fair, I never socialized with him so I could make a huge judgment on him. What I referred to that day is we wanted to have some people recruited from Canada, send them to Thyssen, and let them work. All my observations were later on. I keep...really, with great thanks to Elmer MacKay, that friendship, but I have nothing in common with his son.
On December 6th, 2007. See this statement in context.