Mr. Pat Martin, one of your colleagues told me that when Elmer MacKay was in the House, he was terrible in opposition. He always showed up like an Italian priest, and everybody knew this was an honest man--Marc Lalonde. Now, they were not friends.
I want to tell you, Elmer MacKay, in my opinion--and I would be prepared, if you want, here or outside, whenever you want, to tell you a couple of stories about the human being Elmer MacKay. But allow me not to comment on his son. He is not of the same timbre, and I don't want to talk about it if I can.