Evidence of meeting #8 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
All right. Sir, you've talked about the public inquiry and that you're looking forward to it. Is there anything that has not been brought to the attention of this committee that you feel will be brought to the attention of the public inquiry?
Conservative
As an Individual
The public inquiry will have people and lawyers and will cross-examine. There will be quite a different base from this. You can't do that. We need lots of witnesses to testify.
I want you to understand this. I've said all the time, and I've said it to the media, it doesn't help. The media can push somehow, but people don't tell the truth. People tell the truth when they're under oath and somebody else is around who may recognize when you commit perjury.
This is why I have three lawsuits running and also the inquiry. I think that's easy to understand.
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
Well, sir, you're under oath. Can you tell us any particular topics that have not been raised at these committee hearings that will be raised at the public inquiry?
As an Individual
When you look at all the projects, how they were put together and how they happened, you know they didn't drop from heaven. If there is no project and if there is no agreement, there is no money. So the whole thing with Bear Head had to be in the agreement. The next thing would have been the project. Do you know what the project was? It was an event of $360 billion--
As an Individual
--the replacement of the M-113.
The Airbus was a beginning. When Bob Coates was the Minister of Defence he came out with 4,000 armoured cars. Do you know how much that is? It's $3 billion. Do you know what the procurement is today at DND and where Fred Doucet is again in nine projects to lobbyists?
Conservative
David Tilson Conservative Dufferin—Caledon, ON
I'm asking the questions. You're making the statements.
As an Individual
Yes, but I'm just telling you that is what it is, and today it's the same as it was then, more or less with the same people to fight for big money.
Conservative
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
Thank you, Mr. Tilson.
Mr. Schreiber, I want to go back to the letters that you gave us as evidence, specifically the letters that you wrote to former Prime Minister Mulroney. Regarding the May 8, 2007 letter, I believe you've contradicted it here at this committee. You testified on Tuesday that the $300,000 cash you paid to former Prime Minister Mulroney was not a kickback from Air Canada's $1.8 billion purchase of Airbus jets. You've gone so far as to sue him to get this money back because you allege that he didn't complete the services you had agreed to.
Now, the opposition members have speculated that this money was a bribe or a kickback, but I've never heard of anybody suing for a bribe or a kickback. You certainly wouldn't go to court to sue somebody because you didn't feel you got value for a bribe or a kickback.
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
Was this money for consulting, yes or no? There was a contract to be completed by Mr. Mulroney?
As an Individual
Yes, and take it that even if I would hate Mr. Mulroney down to my last bone, which I don't, I would not say things that are not true. The meeting with him at Harrington Lake and the money had completely nothing to do with Airbus. How many times do you want to hear this from me?
December 11th, 2007 / 12:40 p.m.
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
I just appreciate the clarification.
Mr. Van Kesteren.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Schreiber.
I want to go on with what Mr. Tilson was talking about. Last Thursday you went into some detail that you're a victim of a conspiracy by the Conservative Party, the Liberal Party, the RCMP. I think you even mentioned that Bavarian prosecutors were out to get you.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
You spent a number of hours testifying before this committee. We've heard some interesting stories. What we haven't heard from you yet is what is being covered up. More specifically, I'm asking you: what is being covered up and what evidence, sir, do you have to substantiate it?
As an Individual
I would say you are right. It is a question that moved. At the beginning it was very clearly.... It went from Allan Rock and it started when he was not even a minister. I have outlined it very clearly in a report I have done, a case report. Then over the times I had always the impression that because the Liberals were driving this, this was the Liberals. And one day Mr. MacKay sent a letter to Mr. Murray from the RCMP and told him, what you are doing is a simultaneous face-saving and ass-covering action. I agree with him.
Conservative
Dave Van Kesteren Conservative Chatham-Kent—Essex, ON
Excuse me, sir. You're doing that again. You're going into some interesting.... Specifically, tell us what specifically is being covered up.
As an Individual
Specifically, the problem is all the wrongdoing from the officials with the RCMP and the justice department. That these people are fighting like hell for their own personal interests is very clear.
I'll give you an example: Fraser Fiegenwald lost his job--you know, the RCMP guy, who then had to sell hot dogs to get a lawyer. My question is, when he was the one who was leaking things and had to be fired because he spoke to a journalist and violated his oath, what about all the others who did the same thing? That's one question.
The other one.... Mrs. Cameron was a police informant, and he was entitled to speak to her. Why was he fired? This is one of the questions, for example.
This goes on and on, and now you may understand one thing: I am suing exactly these people, and they are against me in my lawsuit in Alberta. At the same time, the same people from the same group go to Germany and prepare the record of the case against me, send it to themselves, permit it, and issue an arrest warrant. Then, are you telling me there is no conflict of interest? So that's one thing.
Now, when the whole thing was over and the Conservatives, in my opinion at the time.... Thank the Lord, now they are there and now we are going to clean up this horrible mess the Liberals have done all the years--and nothing happens. Suddenly I've found out the pressure comes from there. What's the reason for this? For this, there are many reasons.
This is what I am very much interested to find out in an inquiry.
