Evidence of meeting #8 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Can you tell me when or where?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

With Philiip Mathias--it's hard to say. It must have been in 2000 or—

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Was it on more than one occasion?

December 11th, 2007 / 12:15 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, it was in 1999. I was with him when I was arrested in August.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Had you met him prior to the libel suit in 1996?

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

You had never met Mr. Mathias?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No. What was the name--Mathias?

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

It was Philip Mathias.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I told you earlier, I was in Switzerland and all the stuff was here, though I was not around.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

You had never spoken with Mr. Mathias before the libel suit by Mr. Mulroney?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No. I probably did on the telephone.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

So you had spoken with him?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. You asked if I had met with him.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

No, I said met him or spoke with him.

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Well, perhaps I did on the telephone. He was very close to Elmer MacKay. Otherwise, how would I have known him?

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Fair enough.

Are you aware that Mr. Mathias received a copy of the Department of Justice letter regarding the alleged Airbus kickbacks that was sent to the Swiss authorities?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I saw this on The Fifth Estate, yes.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Are you aware that this letter was the basis for the libel suit that had the Canadian government pay $2.1 million to Mr. Mulroney to cover his legal expenses?

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As an Individual

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

You're not aware of the fact that this letter was the basis—

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No, but pretty soon we got the official English translation from the Swiss. I don't know which translation Mr. Mulroney used.

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Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

My question is more general than that. Are you aware that it was the letter that was leaked to Mr. Mathias that was the basis for the libel suit?

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As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

No. I just told you. A short time after came the official translation from the Canadian government from the Swiss Department of Justice, so how do I know which one he used? He could have used this or the other one.