I can tell you one thing, that I never mentioned Airbus to him, and I was very, very sensitive on this. And you may take it as a fact that I met quite often with Claude Taylor, and I didn't mention it, but I was then approached by other members of the board from Air Canada--Peter Bawden, with his friend John Lundrigan--who wanted just $400,000 from me, and I would never get the Airbus contract done. And Mazankowski owes him the contract. The nonsense, you wouldn't believe it.
Ma'am, it's a fight for money. It is a world you are not in, and it is tough for you to understand.