Evidence of meeting #8 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was money.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karlheinz Schreiber  As an Individual

12:15 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Schreiber, do you know a person by the name of George Wolff?

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12:20 p.m.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

How do you know him? Have you ever met or spoken with him?

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12:20 p.m.

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Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. He was a journalist from CTV. He was the one who made Giorgio Pelossi confess during his program that he stole the money and that he is not the guilty guy, but I am the guilty guy, and that if I would have paid him, Mulroney would not be in trouble. This is through George Wolff.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Are you aware that Mr. Wolff has claimed that you “selected” Mr. Mathias?

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12:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

Selected Mr. Mathias?

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

He used the words—

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12:20 p.m.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

That's where my line of questioning is going. Are you aware that he's made that statement?

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12:20 p.m.

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Karlheinz Schreiber

Yes. I saw this in the Fifth Estate program, and I called him about this and asked him what it means and how he can explain this nonsense, and the explanation was finally that he was mad at me, and I didn't even know why. He told me he left his job from CTV because he never got an exclusive story from me. But he was in Switzerland, and he was the one who took photos from me and sold them to Philip Mathias.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Did you ever make the statement that you selected Mr. Mathias?

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12:20 p.m.

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Karlheinz Schreiber

For the Airbus story, yes, I did. This is why Mr. Mathias got a journalist award, on this story. It was two pages, a really good story.

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Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

So you had said that you had selected Mr. Mathias?

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12:20 p.m.

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Karlheinz Schreiber

For the Airbus story, yes.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Okay.

What did you mean by that statement, that you selected--

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12:20 p.m.

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Karlheinz Schreiber

I cannot even discuss with you whether I say I selected....

Philip Mathias' address was brought to me from Elmer MacKay, and that he was with the National Post. I was with other people from the National Post in the Atlantic Bölkow organization. I learned he was a good journalist, and I gave him the story. You can read that story in his paper.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Wolff believes that you were the one who gave the letter from the Swiss authorities to Mr. Mathias.

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12:20 p.m.

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Karlheinz Schreiber

I cannot help what Mr. Wolff believes.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Did you have anything to do with how Mr. Mathias got a copy of that letter?

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12:20 p.m.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

How do you believe Mr. Mathias got that letter?

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12:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

I don't care.

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

How do you believe he got the letter?

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12:20 p.m.

As an Individual

Karlheinz Schreiber

There are quite a few possibilities. He could have spoken to Frank Moores, he could have spoken to my lawyer, he could have got it from Mr. Mulroney's people. How do I know?

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12:20 p.m.

Conservative

Russ Hiebert Conservative South Surrey—White Rock—Cloverdale, BC

Mr. Schreiber, you've spent a lot of time and money fighting extradition to Germany. Can you tell us how many times you have appeared before the Ontario Superior Court of Justice?

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