Evidence of meeting #52 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was rcmp.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Karen Shepherd  Commissioner of Lobbying, Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying
Bruce Bergen  Senior Counsel, Office of the Commissioner of Lobbying

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Stockwell Day Conservative Okanagan—Coquihalla, BC

Thank you, Mrs. Freeman, for your kind words. I appreciate them.

This is a policy we've been working on for a long time now. The data and information from some departments were used for this trial. That's why we are describing this open data portal as a "pilot project". We asked 10 departments to participate and, eventually, we will ask all of government to take part. It's a process that we have begun.

As for the committee's work, I think that the information commissioner made a comment along these lines at meetings and that the five directives were also mentioned. I announced this initiative publicly a week ago. We are now on track. I would like your advice, not only today, but in the next stages of this portal's development.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Mr. Siksay, you have time for a brief question.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Bill Siksay NDP Burnaby—Douglas, BC

Thank you, Chair.

And thank you for being here, Minister.

Minister, I know that one disappointment at the launch of your data portal was that one of your validators had some real problems with the licence that is on the website, which is one of the more restrictive licences of open data portals launched by any government. I know there's been some backtracking already on that. It makes me think that this got rushed, that the work hadn't been done.

Why has Canada opted for a much more restricted licence than the United Kingdom, the United States, and many other municipalities and other jurisdictions here in Canada?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Stockwell Day Conservative Okanagan—Coquihalla, BC

Mr. Chair, I want to thank my colleague for this question.

Always, the risk of starting something, especially if you're calling it a pilot but you're also saying it's policy, is that you're going to come upon things you hadn't expected. Being open about that, we're saying this is incremental improvement.

I think the gentleman you're talking about is David Eaves, from Vancouver, who helped do some analysis and let us know how he thought things were developing. He said very clearly that he was very enthusiastic about the approach, but he pointed out that the licensing agreement had terminology in it that said--and I can give it to you verbatim--basically that nobody could use this, especially media, if it was going to in any way reflect poorly on government. Well, to tell you the truth, we had not analysed that licensing protection in light of a possible media request. It was advice that was given to us by justice lawyers and others to protect against information being released, which then we could have been libellous for.

I sat down with Mr. Eaves right after that—as a matter of fact, the same day—and he gave us some advice. We looked at what other countries were doing in that regard. We saw that ours was far more restricted, and we ran it by the lawyers, and in the space of about two to three hours we made the decision. Why should we be the most restrictive? Other countries are doing this. We revoked that particular clause, so that impediment is no longer there.

In fairness also to Mr. Eaves, there are a couple of other things he talked about on the commercial side that I've also said to our legal officials. Other countries seem to be able to handle this; we should be able to also. So we're looking at these other ones, but this was the big one, this restriction on the licensing part. We moved quickly to revoke that.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

Thank you, Mr. Siksay.

Mr. Poilievre, please make it a brief question.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Yes, Mr. Chair. This might be the last time I speak before this committee for some time, so allow me to—

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

No, Mr. Poilievre, you shouldn't be speculating.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Well, there's a risk that we might not be back for a little while.

Please allow me, on behalf of the government delegation, to thank you, Mr. Chair, for your good work on this committee, and for your career. We really appreciate the effort and the time you've dedicated to this place.

5:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Likewise, allow me to thank Mr. Siksay, who has decided to make this his last term in office. We've always found him to be very fair-minded and a good-natured member around this place. We have a lot of respect for him.

Thank you very much, Bill, for all you've done.

5:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Finally, Minister Day, for your quarter century of commitment to public life, thanks for your work, both at a provincial level and a national level, and the enormous sacrifice that you and your family have made for this country.

I hope your wife will accept our apologies for all the times that you needed to be with us. Your whole family has sacrificed for this country.

Thank you very much.

That concludes my remarks. I think this will be the first and last time that I'll ever get applause from this committee. But thank you very much to all the members who are retiring. Thank you.

5:30 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stockwell Day Conservative Okanagan—Coquihalla, BC

Mr. Chair, I'm sorry I have to go. As we said, we'd booked the full hour. We didn't know there'd be a vote. I'm more than willing to come back for another full hour next week.

But I just want to echo.... My colleagues may not know that the chair and I quite rightly correspond back and forth. We have not always agreed on every item, but I've appreciated the civility with which we've had our disagreements, when there have been those.

You have always been faithful in taking the concerns from around this table and bringing them to my attention and taken the demands that have followed that. I appreciate the work.

Bill, it's always good to work with you on issues. Again, democracy is not always about agreeing on everything, but it's certainly allowing the process to move ahead. I wish you the best, not in an electoral way, but certainly as you pursue your dreams for the future.

Thank you to members of the committee.

We do need your input on this. This is a new venture for the government. It is off and running. It is a policy, not just a pilot, and I'll look forward to watching this develop.

Thank you so much.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

There is one final comment from Madame Thi Lac and then we'll adjourn.

March 23rd, 2011 / 5:35 p.m.

Bloc

Ève-Mary Thaï Thi Lac Bloc Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, QC

Thank you.

At the start of the meeting, I asked to have a minute to do what several others have done. I took some notes so that I wouldn't forget anything.

Mr. President of the Treasury Board, Mr. Chair of the committee and, especially, Mr. NDP critic, you have announced that you will not seek another term. Some other members of this committee might not be re-elected either. I would like to say that it has been a great pleasure working with you, on this committee, particularly with my colleague, Mrs. Freeman.

Thank you, also, to the team supporting us, the analysts, the clerk, the entire support team, the staff members who are here to support our work, meeting after meeting. I want to tell you that it is greatly appreciated.

Good luck to everyone taking on new challenges.

I would like to say good luck to everyone who will not have the opportunity to facing the excellent Bloc Québécois candidates in the next election.

5:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

5:35 p.m.

Ève-Mary Thaï Lac

I would like to finish by saying see you next time, not good bye. Mrs. Freeman and I are looking forward to seeing you again in the House.

Until next time!

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Mr. Chair, I didn't realize that Mr. Abbott is moving on as well. It would have been entirely inappropriate to fail to mention his longstanding contribution.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

That's right. He's been here longer than all of us.

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I think he's been here since 1993, so a hell of a long time.

Thanks very much to Jim for a hell of a contribution to this country.

5:35 p.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear!

5:35 p.m.

Conservative

Stockwell Day Conservative Okanagan—Coquihalla, BC

Mr. Chair, just the briefest of interventions. I owe an apology to the whole committee. I am responsible for hiring Mr. Poilievre and giving him his first job on the Hill, so I apologize to members.

5:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Shawn Murphy

People have never forgiven you for that, right?

The meeting is adjourned.