Okay.
I want to go back to the issue of the gifts. Certainly it's generated a lot of interest in our committee and from our witnesses, but it's because we're hearing about bringing together the various codes, bringing together the act itself, and whether we should be including members or parliamentary secretaries.
The question that was brought by our previous witness— and I'm referring to him because he had some very interesting and sometimes provocative thoughts—was he felt we were over-bureaucratizing the issue, as opposed to dealing with the more substantive issues, which is where you are really attempting to influence somebody, and whether the $30 threshold is taking us off the track of focusing on more substantive issues. What do you think of that?