Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. I appreciate the opportunity to join in this discussion.
I want to talk a bit more about the culture of secrecy, because that seems to be a key thing that has come up at this committee. I acknowledge that I'm here as a visitor and so haven't been part of your previous discussions.
One of the members talked about information systems and the difficulty of organizing information. I think it was Mr. Massé. I just wanted to note, with the report of the Auditor General this week, that in his remarks to the public accounts committee that was certainly a theme: that data is not being used effectively. I think that is a challenge.
What I wanted to bring forward is the idea of risk aversion as being one of the bases for the culture of secrecy. Risk aversion is a long-term aspect both of the political side, but I think also of the bureaucracy side. I think that is directly connected.
Minister, you're working on public service renewal. One thing you've talked about is that you want to get young people into the public service. In terms of public service renewal, there has also been discussion about having a culture in which it's okay to fail or to try something that doesn't work. I want to ask you what your thoughts are about how these things connect: enabling the public service to take risks without there being terrible consequences, and then how that might connect with the idea of a culture of secrecy.