Evidence of meeting #28 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was pipeda.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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MPs speaking

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Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Hugues La Rue
Michael Dewing  Committee Researcher

October 18th, 2016 / 11 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Good morning, colleagues. I don't really want to start without our colleague from the NDP, but this meeting is likely going to be a very short one, so I figure the sooner we start, the sooner we can be done.

Just so you know, we're in a public meeting right now. Typically, when we do committee business, we start in camera, but we're in public right now. I just wanted to make you guys aware of that. If anybody wants to move...I don't have a problem with it being in public, but sometimes when we're discussing things like witness lists and so on, then we might want to be cognizant of that. I'll just make you aware of that.

First of all, I want to say thank you to Joël for covering for me at the last committee meeting. Regrettably, the witnesses that we had lined up for today fell through, and in discussions that I had with our clerk, I said that maybe we'll just use 15 or 20 minutes today and figure out where we're going to go, because I think the study and the witness list for our current study on the Privacy Act is winding down. We can start giving a bit of direction maybe to the analysts on what we would like to see, so we can consider that for today as well.

I know that Mr. Lightbound has a motion. I'm not sure if he's prepared to move it today, but it would give us some clarity and opportunity to discuss what we're going to do when the Privacy Act study is complete.

As it stands right now, for next Tuesday, we have three witnesses. Next Thursday, we have Mr. Gogolek who appeared before us on access to information. He's going to be back from the B.C. Freedom of Information meetings. We also have Adam Kardash who was before us, as well, and Michael Karanicolas from the Centre for Law and Democracy is going to be here on the Privacy Act.

Next Tuesday, we're hoping to get Immigration and Citizenship, CBSA, and RCMP as witnesses. I think they were the ones that we wanted to get today, but it didn't work out. Next Thursday, we have CSIS and potentially Karen Shepherd and a few other people appearing before the committee. That exhausts our list for this particular study, so we'd better have a plan going forward to do something else. Unless anybody else has any other witnesses that they want to bring forward for the Privacy Act at this time.... We're not hearing a whole lot of new information any more. People are coming in, and we're basically having the same discussions over and over.

If that proposed work schedule going forward is fine, then we're going to need something to do on Tuesday, November 1; Thursday, November 3; and Tuesday, November 15. We'll have the break week there and that's veteran's week. On Remembrance Day, we will be back in our ridings, and it looks like we might have Mary Dawson and Karen Shepherd coming as part of the discussion we had earlier about the extensions to their appointments.

We're going to try to fit those two in at some particular point in time; however, beyond Tuesday next week, we're very thin on things to do.

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Conservative

Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB

I'm just curious. I way trying to listen as you were going through the witnesses we lined up, and I didn't hear the ministers' names. Do we have an update on that?

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Apparently, we don't.

Mr. Blaikie.

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NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

I'll jump in on that theme.

We had submitted a name for someone from the European Union that has to do with implementing the new data protection framework that they brought in. I just spoke to the clerk, and I'm looking for some direction but I think that's worth pursuing just because they seem to be at the cutting edge of that.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Mr. Blaikie, we do have room in the witness panel for next Thursday and potentially even next Tuesday if the various departments that didn't show up today can't come next week, as well. We'll definitely get that on the list. It sounds like a very good idea.

11:05 a.m.

NDP

Daniel Blaikie NDP Elmwood—Transcona, MB

Thanks.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Mr. Jeneroux.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB

Could we enlist our friends on the other side of the table to perhaps help with getting the ministers if that's the stumbling block of some sort? It's been a few weeks now.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Can we?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

Can you repeat?

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB

Yes. Can we enlist your help at all in getting some of those ministers in? I think we agreed to have them in, so whatever the stumbling block....

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

I don't know.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

Matt Jeneroux Conservative Edmonton Riverbend, AB

They don't listen to me, I guess.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Neither do I, Matt.

No, I'm kidding.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith Liberal Beaches—East York, ON

To be fair, I don't think they listen to me.

11:05 a.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

This is not a new revelation, but as the chair, I operate through the clerk. We make the request into the various offices. It's incumbent upon all of us. As members of Parliament, we can go over and ask one or both ministers if they could please find it in their schedule to make an appearance before the committee. It would be very much appreciated.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

I'll give it shot, as well.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Thank you, Mr. Lightbound.

That being said, we need something else to do after Thursday next week. Does anyone have any ideas as to what we might do?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

Yes. There's a motion I've given notice of regarding a study of PIPEDA. I think you have all gotten that motion. PIPEDA has not been reviewed in a couple of years, and it's up for review. It's on the table, so I'd be curious.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Are you moving your motion, Mr. Lightbound?

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

Well, I think Mr. Erskine-Smith has—

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

Yes is the answer I'm looking for.

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

Joël Lightbound Liberal Louis-Hébert, QC

—another proposal.

I'll move it, but I just want to have a discussion. We've been working as a team very well since the beginning.

11:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Blaine Calkins

I don't think you're going to have any trouble, Mr. Lightbound.