Evidence of meeting #12 for Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics in the 43rd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was charity.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Ian Shugart  Clerk of the Privy Council and Secretary to the Cabinet, Privy Council Office
Gina Wilson  Deputy Minister, Diversity and Inclusion and Youth, Department of Canadian Heritage
Benoît Robidoux  Associate Deputy Minister, Department of Employment and Social Development
Mary Dawson  As an Individual

3:10 p.m.

An hon. member

What kind of point of order is that?

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

I'll submit it. Do you want me to submit it?

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON

I have the floor.

3:10 p.m.

An hon. member

That's not a point of order.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rachael Harder

Mr. Dong—

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON

I wonder if Mr. Angus can share the document with the rest of the committee.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rachael Harder

Mr. Dong, that's not a point of order. I'm going to proceed.

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

I'm sorry, but does that come out of my time?

I'm certainly willing to share the email to Craig Kielburger—

3:10 p.m.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON

I have no idea what he's referring to. I think it's a fair question.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rachael Harder

Mr. Dong, it's not a procedural point of order. You are more than welcome to go and talk to the member after this meeting. If he is happy to show you the document, then he will do so.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Han Dong Liberal Don Valley North, ON

I think it's clearly—

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Madam Chair, I'm more than willing to share the email that has been made public. If my colleague didn't do his homework, I can't help that, but I'd like to get the answer from the minister.

3:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rachael Harder

Mr. Angus, I'm restarting the clock. The floor is yours.

3:10 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

Can we just get the minister to tell us what happened in that meeting, without the interference of her Liberal colleagues? Craig Kielburger then went to Rachel Wernick and said he had two proposals. That second proposal became the Canada student service grant, with just a few bells and whistles added.

Something happened in that meeting, Minister Chagger, and you didn't tell us at finance committee. Tell us now. Just come clean.

3:10 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Madam Chair, I was asked to swear an oath. I have sworn an oath. I think it's important to acknowledge that all the information I have available, I am making available. I do not disregard the member's interpretation, but I will not be told that I am not providing information openly. That's exactly what I'm doing.

The first opportunity that I had to be at finance committee, I was there.

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rachael Harder

Minister Chagger, thank you very much.

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

The first opportunity I had to be at the ethics committee, I am here, to make sure all information is available to members.

3:15 p.m.

NDP

Charlie Angus NDP Timmins—James Bay, ON

If you'd told us at finance, we wouldn't be in this shemozzle.

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rachael Harder

Mr. Angus, your time is up. Thank you.

Mr. Poilievre, the floor is yours for five minutes.

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Did the word “volunteer” ever get spoken in your 30-minute meeting with Mr. Kielburger?

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Madam Chair, off the top of my head, it was more of a listening exercise than—

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Was it spoken, yes or no?

3:15 p.m.

Liberal

Bardish Chagger Liberal Waterloo, ON

Not that I'm aware of. I can't say that I said it.

3:15 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Carleton, ON

Were you there?