I certainly agree totally with Madame Gaudreau that we should have the time with the Kielburgers so that we can get answers. I would go back to what Mr. Barrett suggested, if I understood him correctly, which is that if Mr. Spencer Elms is willing to testify, then we also have the person that the Kielburgers have suggested should testify, and they can testify together.
I would be very uncomfortable having their major director of their Kenyan operations not answer any questions and go to ground, and then having someone else whom we've never asked for, whom we've never heard of, put forward to say “Don't talk to this person.” It feels to me like we're being manipulated here. If they are not willing to have Mr. Spencer Elms here, who is a key partner and a secretary of their schools, who helps with all their corporate structure.... If he's not willing to testify, then I say thanks, but no thanks, for anyone else.
If he's willing to testify, then they can bring someone else with them. I think we should be very clear that we're not going to be played here by having them choosing who we get to hear from as witnesses.