Quite simply, it's very hard to engage in a conversation when basic facts aren't being acknowledged.
When CSIS tells us that they're not going to answer a basic question—which is the same question they haven't answered for you right now—about whether facial recognition technology is being used, it becomes very hard to get any sense of accountability. It becomes very hard to have a conversation. When the RCMP tells us one thing, tells Canadians one thing and tells the Privacy Commissioner one thing, it becomes very hard to have a good-faith, honest conversation about what the future could actually look like.
I think all of us are interested in a world in which law enforcement uses facial recognition technology responsibly. Folks are right when they say that there are potential good-use cases, especially in child pornography and cases like that. The reality is that our agencies here are simply not meeting the standard that Canadians expect them to, for all of the reasons that you all know about, vis-à-vis systemic racism and so many of these other challenges.