I accept that. I accept that encryption, although it has many benefits for society protecting the privacy of communications of ordinary Canadians, commercial transactions and the like, can pose serious challenges for law enforcement. I accept that.
As I said in my opening statement, I think that to have technology to address the challenges of encryption with judicial authorization on a case-by-case basis does not impede others from benefiting from encryption. I think that's acceptable.
I'll say that part of my surprise was that there has been an ongoing public debate in the context of lawful access about this specific issue and to what extent the police can use means to overcome challenges of encryption, and it never came about in public debate that ODITs were used to that effect.
I'm not saying that it is unacceptable for ODITs to be used, but it was surprising that, in the context of many debates in the public about the challenges of encryption when I was Privacy Commissioner, I was not told that a tool was used to overcome encryption.