Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
I want to thank my colleagues for good questions, and also the witnesses for being present. I think those are good words that you shared with us at the beginning of this meeting.
I want to delve into parts of what you mentioned.
I think for Canadians, it's particularly important to understand the framework of access to information versus the right to information. It's easy to talk about access—imagine going to a library and not being able to read any books—versus the right to actually have the information.
I'd like to have testimony from each of the witnesses, starting with Mr. Rubin, on the difference between access to information and the right to information.