Okay, but yet, as an ethics committee.... I used to serve on OGGO, which is government operations, where questions of procurement would have been essential to our investigations and study there, whereas here at the ethics committee, the recusal is the problem.
As somebody from the outside looking in, somebody who presumably has dealt with politicians in crisis communication situations and scenarios, you'll note that our Conflict of Interest Act does have administrative penalties. They're nominal. Quite frankly, you'll recall.... I'm sure you're very familiar with the WE scandal and Morneau, and I think it's around $500 or something like that.
Do you have any insight or any thoughts around ways in which we can create a deeper level of accountability by having clearer consequences in place for when people contravene the Conflict of Interest Act?