It's very important to understand the position the individual holds within the entity, who may have the perceived conflict of interest, because the ability of anyone to influence actions or decision-making for sure would have an impact on whether there would be a conflict of interest.
I would say that some of the discussions related to conflict of interest are discussed more deeply at the board to ensure that everyone is in agreement on whether it is a potential conflict or a perceived conflict.
We've taken actions more recently to engage an ethics adviser to ensure that the board has the support they need for those types of discussions as they move forward.