You ruled on the fact that a screen of this kind should be administered by the person targeted by this measure.
I have a concern about that, and it's something we are discussing. When a commissioner requires or suggests that a conflict of interest screen be set up, I don't think it's right for that screen to be enforced by a subordinate, whether it be a deputy minister, a Clerk of the Privy Council or a chief of staff. If we have to go through those people for operational reasons, for the sake of transparency, we should check whether the screen is truly or effectively being enforced, and designate a person to whom the person should be accountable for its enforcement.
The Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner told me that he didn't want to be that person because that would make him the judge and jury. To avoid that, we could designate a person who would be responsible for accountability.
I'll start with you, Commissioner Mignolet. Then you can answer, Commissioner Motherwell.