There are a few things, if I could.
The principle that I tend to work with from being around politics, government and governance for quite awhile is what Ronald Reagan used to say to Mikhail Gorbachev, which was “trust, but verify”, as opposed to “verify, but trust”. You have to have a starting point for this. I think if we want to rebuild and recalibrate trust or renew trust in our system, we have to start with some semblance of trust at the outset, but you have to verify that. That's why we have conflict of interest codes, lobbying rules and all of the associated public hygiene, if you will, for our public sector.
I would suggest that you might consider or take a look at what's been happening in Manitoba recently. Again, it's no surprise, from my experience there. There was a recent conflict of interest ruling by the commissioner there against the former premier, former minister of finance and former minister of the economy over violating the caretaker convention during the period between when the PC government lost and when the NDP government was coming in. The commissioner found that although there was not a private benefit to them, they had broken the rules and the law because they had ignored, if you will, that basic convention that governs our system of responsible government, etc. The commissioner fined them. It was a public fine of, I think, $18,000 in the case of the former premier and $10,000 or $12,000 for the former ministers. The act allows for up to $50,000, so that's not insignificant.
I would urge you to look at the nature of fines, because I think it conveys a really strong sense and view of the matter at hand.
