Thanks very much, Mr. Chair.
Welcome to you both.
Professor Stark, let me pick up on what you were saying about perceptions of conflict and debunking the assumption that conflict of interest is somehow akin to corruption. I think that's actually a very neat way of getting to the heart of one of the issues we've been wrestling with.
Do you believe that perceptions of conflict, when they're not grounded in evidence, can undermine public trust? How should legislators ensure that perceptions do not overshadow facts?