The fact that you said the screen doesn't apply to phone calls surprises me, frankly.
It's a matter of communication with the company. I haven't seen the exact example you cited, but I can tell you that if Mr. Blanchard or Mr. Sabia know that Mr. Carney is going to talk to people at Brookfield, they will be required to tell him that there's a conflict of interest screen and that he can't do that.
I was surprised to hear you say that the screen doesn't apply. Mr. Blanchard has done exactly that.