They shouldn't be at odds. I don't want to be part of a profession that, somehow, ethics are outside of. I've long advocated that the Commissioner of Lobbying and the Ethics Commissioner should be the same person, but barring that, I think that at least there should be some kind of harmonization in what the rules are, because that's a little confusing.
Since this act became law in 2008, there have been four people convicted under it. Among the reasons that that's a low number is that the rules are so complicated. There is the act, and there are advisory opinions. I'm sure that in the briefs, you'd find people complaining about the 32 hours going to eight hours. That's a significant change. It wasn't made through an advisory opinion. It wasn't made through this committee. It wasn't made through the legislature. It wasn't made through Parliament. However, she has no other option. The complex nature of it, I think, hurts its enforcement, and adding more layers to that doesn't help.