It's not the fact that a public office holder initiates the communication. We are arguing that when you lump in the fact that the communication does not need to be pre-arranged or does not need to be organized, it creates a lot of difficulties. First, I think you all know that the definition of lobbying is rather wide. It's that you're denying the office holder, whether it be a public office holder or the designated public office holder, exercising his or her own discretion to determine if this is lobbying, and then you complicate the matter in terms of what interactions.... A simple meeting at a barbecue—
