Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Obviously, we are meeting here in Parliament, in Ottawa, in the middle of the summer. I heard someone say earlier that this meeting was ridiculous and was going to cost taxpayers money. That's precisely the issue. We have to shed light on what's going on before spending $1.45 billion. I think it's important that the committee is holding this emergency meeting in the summer, before things are too far along, so we can understand the situation. I think that's the goal here.
We met with Mr. Champagne, the finance minister, at one of our last meetings. He was quite explicit in something he told me. He did not come here to answer our questions, but he did say something interesting: The Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics has to rely on facts. This is ethics, so let's look at the facts together. That's what this investigation should focus on, in my view. This isn't a partisan probe. You can take notes. My colleagues opposite may not get all the facts in their party briefings. We want to examine the matter on the basis of those facts, to understand where the money is going and why this project was undertaken.
Let's start with the facts. On June 18, before the House adjourned, the Prime Minister still wasn't in Parliament. He's often away. He announced a $1.45‑billion plan to buy 2,200 unsold condos in B.C. The government is going to spend $1.45 billion of taxpayer money to buy 2,200 condos that aren't selling. The idea is that the government can say it's going to build housing through Build Canada Homes. It's supposed to provide affordable housing and all that. We're talking about 2,200 unsold condos. That's roughly $660,000 per condo, and it's supposed to be affordable housing.
Then we learn that we won't find anything out about the developers, prices or agreements until the fall. We are being told not to ask questions, because we'll have the information in the fall. The government makes this big announcement to say it's building housing but in the end provides no answers. That's when people started asking questions. It's urgent that we get to the bottom of things this summer. When Parliament isn't sitting, someone has to keep watch for the public. When the government announces something like that right before the House adjourns, obviously, there will be no oral question period the following week. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be asking the questions or meeting to investigate the matter.
Is this a new situation? Is there a conflict of interest? According to an article that came out when the House rose, the Prime Minister's ethics screen was triggered 17 times in less than 17 months. It's not us who trigger it. It's not the committee. It's the Prime Minister's staff who trigger the ethics screen. There are potential conflicts of interest. There are questions that need to be asked about the current Prime Minister and the things he announces.
Our party has already provided eight full documents on potential conflicts of interest, which are laid out in detail and proven. The documents show that these matters aren't always fast, easy, clear, obvious and straightforward, and that we do need to ask questions. I've been here a year, and for a year, we've been saying that the things the Prime Minister is announcing don't pass the smell test. Why do we need this emergency meeting today? Because in yet another case, the announcement isn't as great as it seems. It's fishy. It amounts to $660,000 per condo. That is fishy, so we need to know why taxpayer money is being used for that.
I'm going to continue on that topic. The Prime Minister always finds a way to get into trouble. Here's an example you don't even know about yet. He made a nice announcement about an aircraft project in Mirabel. Twenty-eight days earlier, however, Brookfield became the co-owner of a company that needed the type of aircraft made in Mirabel right away. The committee didn't meet to ask questions about the matter, because whenever we propose motions, we're told that we're looking for information that has nothing to do with the situation, that we're peddling conspiracy theories. Situations like this are always happening, and I think the public needs to know what's going on. We are right to ask questions.
Brookfield Asset Management is one of the witnesses in the motion, and you'll see why. The Prime Minister is always getting himself in situations that lead us to ask the same question: Is it a coincidence that Brookfield is somehow involved, either just before the announcement or shortly after? Why is Brookfield always involved? These are legitimate questions, and they should be answered. For the past little while, it's become clear that the members opposite seem to have no intention of answering those questions for the committee. They are doing everything they can to keep this study from going ahead. Then they'll say this was a waste of time and taxpayer money.
That's the environment we've been working in for a year now. We were able to work when the Liberals did not have a majority, but since obtaining a majority, they've done everything they can to stop us from investigating matters.
Let's look at the sequence of events, date by date, that led us to call for this probe today. Why are we here on July 7 at 11:30 a.m.? Let's take a look.
In February 2026, Bob Rennie, known as the condo king in British Columbia, hosted an evening with Mark Carney at his headquarters. Attendees paid $1,775 to meet Mark Carney. We are talking about the Prime Minister of Canada. That's not insignificant. The event took place at Mr. Rennie's headquarters, with no reporters in attendance.
That's a common feature of the issues we've raised here. That's usually how these things go: Discussions take place behind closed doors, without reporters. We are told not to worry, because the Prime Minister is virtuous.
What happened, though, is that 17 of B.C.'s biggest developers attended the event, and they all had one thing in common: they had thousands of unsold condos. That was in February 2026.
In March 2026, a month later, a B.C. Housing document revealed that Bob Rennie and B.C.'s premier had met and discussed the event involving Mr. Carney.
In May 2026, the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation reported that the number of unsold condos in the Vancouver area, especially Burnaby and Richmond, was up 76%, exceeding 5,000 units. Remember the names Burnaby and Richmond because they come up again, and that information is important to understand the situation.
On June 3, Brookfield became the co-owner of Concert Properties, at a cost of $1 billion. That's how it acquired eight industrial properties. Are the two connected? I just want to be clear that the joint venture with Concert Properties concerns warehouses, not condos. Brookfield and Concert Properties have a $1‑billion agreement in place. They work together on another project, but Concert Properties, which is now working with Brookfield, has developments in Metro Vancouver, including 50 in Burnaby. Oops. It has 50 condo buildings in Burnaby. Now the connection is emerging.
Obviously, this is the very long version of the story, but I think the public has the right to know what's going on.
Brookfield becomes the co-owner of companies that have unsold condo inventory, and 15 days later, the Prime Minister announces a $1.45‑billion plan for the very cities and areas where his company Brookfield, in which he has interests, holds investments.
Is there an ethical problem? I think so. The committee's mandate is to probe situations like that and to make sure the public can clearly see what's going on. If everything's above board and there's nothing to hide, then what's the issue? Let's investigate and show there's no connection. We'll look like the ones who were asking the wrong questions, but we're never able to get far enough to obtain those answers.
There you have it: the connection between Burnaby and Brookfield. That's why Brookfield is listed in the motion.
The question, then, is this: Will Concert Properties, which became one of Brookfield's partners 15 days before the government's announcement, be one of the developers the government buys condos from in the fall? It's a simple question. These are facts, not even assumptions or accusations. They are just the facts. We want to know. Can you tell us whether that company's condos are among the properties the government is going to buy? It's not hard.
On June 25, Mr. Carney said that no developer had asked him for this directly. Great. Who asked him for it indirectly? Who is involved? We just want to know how it all happened in space and time. What went on in Mr. Carney's mind to make him meet so quickly with developers who paid for the opportunity, to make him announce a taxpayer-funded plan to buy condos involving companies that donate generously to the Liberal Party and work with Brookfield?
Can the government stop telling the public that there's nothing for it to question and us, the public's representatives, that we shouldn't be asking questions? Can we just let the committee do its job? We are asking the Liberals to agree to invite witnesses. We want to ask them to explain. Then each of us will have the facts to support what we say, but we can't get to that point, so there.
We're talking $659,000 per condo; that's affordable. I don't know anywhere in Canada where a $659,000 condo is considered affordable. And that's just the average. If the Liberals now think paying $659,000 for a condo, on average, is affordable, we have a problem. I can assure you that the average Canadian family can't afford to buy a $659,000 condo. Just imagine what a house would cost. If the government is trying to say that this is an affordable price, something's wrong. We want to understand the rationale behind using $1.45 billion in taxpayer money to buy 2,500 condos.
When you start looking at the facts, you realize something else is off. Vancouver is the fifth least affordable city on the planet. The government had started putting measures in place to bring down prices. It had introduced policies over the last little while to bring down prices, three in particular.
First, non-Canadian foreign buyers have to pay a surtax. The measure is to deter speculative buying in the condo market by people outside the country who aren't going to live in Canada. The practice drives up prices, making it unaffordable for people living here, our fellow citizens, to buy condos. Second, Airbnb rentals are no longer allowed. That's over. Third, a speculation tax was introduced. The goal is to bring down prices.
Clearly, the government has put measures in place. For a while, condos won't sell, and market prices will start to come down naturally. It's a classic case of supply and demand. It's simple, easy to understand. For a period of time, developers who were looking to sell their units for too much will have trouble selling them. Gradually, they'll be forced to sell the units at a lower price, possibly at a discount, possibly at a loss. Who will benefit? Ultimately, families, who will have access to a less expensive condo market.
When one developer starts lowering their prices, the others will follow suit, and market prices will gradually come down. That's what was happening. The government is trying to bring down market prices with its right hand while buying those units with taxpayer money and preventing prices from coming down with its left hand. At the end of the day, everyone will pay the price. On one hand, less expensive housing won't be available to families, and on the other hand, the taxes those families pay are being used to make sure market prices don't come down. Who benefits? Wealthy developers and Liberal donors. Again, I think it's appropriate to ask questions. Even TD Bank forecast a 15% drop from 2023 prices. The market is adjusting on its own. Again, that is why paragraphs (b), (d) and (e) of the motion refer specifically to that.
I have a slightly unusual question. Laws are in place so that developers don't have to pay construction companies in full until the project is completed or everything on the deficiency list is fixed. A crack in the wall might appear after a certain period of time or a pipe might break, so developers often wait to pay the full amount, and workers don't get a certain portion of their pay until the end. There are laws on that. I did some research. A Burnaby developer, Thind Properties, sought creditor protection because it wasn't able to sell its units, but they weren't fully paid for. The project was 95% complete and wasn't fully paid for. Business owners and workers are still waiting to get paid. One company says it's owed $1.7 million for drywall work. Another says it's owed $600,000 for electrical work. A window company is owed half a million dollars. There are people who worked on the development whose employers haven't been paid.
When a developer declares bankruptcy, the banks come first. The companies won't end up getting their money, so the workers won't be paid. The government thinks it's a good idea to spend $1.45 billion to bail out developers who haven't even fully paid workers what they're owed. Then the government says it's doing this to help people, to help Canadians. Did it not feel like tackling the problem from the other end to make sure the people got their pay? If this plan moves forward, can we get some answers, so we at least know that the businesses who worked on the development will get paid and that families will have access to affordable housing? Can we get assurance that the money won't go to the Liberals' developer tycoon cronies? That's why we want this examination. I'd say it's straightforward.
Another thing is clear. Build Canada Homes, another bureaucracy created by the Prime Minister, was supposed to build half a million homes annually. The first phase was building the bureaucracy. A year later, nothing's being built. Announcements have been made, but no homes have been built.
In this case, the agency is acting much as the Liberals did before the end of the parliamentary session, by rushing through the passage of bills because they needed a good track record to claim that the parliamentary session had been productive, even though they had spent more time striking backroom deals than working hard to move bills forward in collaboration with the opposition parties. Now, they want to improve the figures, so they're going to buy existing condos with taxpayers' money—condos that Build Canada Homes didn't help to build—to boost the percentages so that it looks as though they've built housing stock. Once again, it makes no sense whatsoever.
That's exactly what we're asking: how is it that you've created a bureaucracy that's supposed to be efficient, yet it can't even build one darn house? Can we find out why it's there when you realize it's not working? You're buying existing condos with taxpayers' money. For goodness' sake! Do away with your bureaucracy, if need be. Once again, this is a question which, I believe, is relevant. We should bring people in to answer our questions.
In life, when you have a good idea, you want to take the credit for it. You want to be recognized as the person behind that good idea, because you're proud of it. However, this is a bit of a special case, because ever since the announcement was made, our Prime Minister and the Premier of British Columbia seem to have been passing the buck back and forth over who came up with the idea, which is surprising. Nobody wants to take credit for it. One says it was the other's idea. The other replies, “No, it was the first one who was happy to announce it”. That in itself is a sign that the situation is a bit fishy. Indeed, if nobody wants to take ownership of the idea, it's because the idea must not be all that good.
So, once again, I think it is legitimate to want to understand who came up with the idea. It is legitimate to ask questions about the reasons and the process to people who come before the committee to answer to Canadians, not to us. We are here to ask questions so that citizens know what happened. We are not the ones asking for this. We want Canadians to have the information. That is all we are asking for, and we are asking for it as a matter of urgency during the summer to prevent a situation—as in past scandals—where taxpayers' money is spent, only for citizens to later ask us if we could have intervened sooner and stopped it before it got too costly.
That's why we're here in July. We want to avoid finding ourselves in September or October with billions of dollars already spent—money paid for by taxpayers—without families and workers having received anything in return, while the Liberal cronies have made money. That's why we're asking questions.
I'll wrap up with this, because I think it's really important. Over the past year, we've been working hard on the issue of conflicts of interest. The Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, who addresses conflicts of interest as an independent officer, has stated that the concept of the appearance of a conflict of interest should be included in the Conflict of Interest Act. We proposed adding it to the act, but my colleagues across the way opposed it. We weren't the ones asking for this. It was the Ethics Commissioner.
However, here, once again, we are faced with a potential conflict of interest. There is the appearance of a conflict of interest. We would like to shed light on this appearance of a conflict of interest, but it does not seem that my colleagues across the aisle are willing to allow this study to move forward. From the very beginning, they told us that what we're doing here isn't important and that we're wasting our time. According to them, the only reason we came here was to collect per diems or get reimbursed for a meal at Subway. That's what they think, even though that's not the case at all. There are appearances of a conflict of interest, and we want to know if there actually is a conflict of interest.
If there really was a conflict of interest with Brookfield, why did the Prime Minister not recuse himself from this announcement? If there was one in Mirabel, why did he not recuse himself from that announcement? That is why this committee exists. It doesn't seem like my colleagues on the other side want us to do our job, but that's just how it is.
So, we need to look at the motion as a whole and take the time to read it. This is important, because people listening to us might think we're engaging in petty politics. However, the motion is online. Anyone can look at it. The points I've just mentioned, anyone can go and read them. We're asking for facts. We're not asking for Conservative witnesses to be called. We are asking for the Liberal allies to be called. We are asking for the developers to be called. We are asking for the “condo king” to be called. We want to be able to ask all these people questions. We want to ask them questions so that they can answer not to us, but to Canadians and Quebeckers.
So, that is why we are here today. I hope that, in light of all this, my colleagues will agree that Canadians and Quebeckers deserve answers. At that point, we will have shed light on this whole affair and we will be able to move on to another committee study, which is tasked with examining potential ethical violations. That is all.