I think sometimes it's a strange thing for the public, because, again, to the extent that they're leaning into it at all, if you're talking about something that's so bad that it engages the Criminal Code, such as if you're talking about bribery.... People paid attention the last time a senator was charged with a whole bunch of counts of.... He wasn't found guilty of anything, but when it meets that kind of threshold, for that kind of charge, the public pays attention.
When there's something under the Conflict of Interest Act, even if it's the worst-case scenario, it's going to be reacted to with an administrative monetary penalty. The public is not going to be super stressed out about that—to the extent that they even know about it. They find out that somebody forgot to disclose their French villa, so they were charged $250. It makes the whole thing look ridiculous. I don't think that administrative monetary penalties are the way to make the public think that politicians are ethical. It's a weird space.