Pardon the interruption.
What is the situation that we have with these meetings that were listed? Of course, these CEOs are not going to be registered to lobby. They won't have been paid to be there in the capacity of lobbyists. It's the same as when Mr. Carney was the chair of Brookfield. He was brought in unpaid but had these personal interests.
These are shadow lobbyists. It's a massive loophole—the Carney loophole—and we think it needs to be closed.