Well, certainly for people to be able to move from welfare to work there are a number of steps that need to take place. It's not just income. There are a number of issues around child care, around training. There are a number of issues that need to be addressed if somebody is going to get back to work.
The fear for parents is that if they don't have good child care...or for instance, they may have the use of pharmacare because they have a sick child, and if these things aren't addressed, then what happens is people stay where they're at, even though they're living below the poverty line. What we need is to help them make that transition and make it more easily.