Evidence of meeting #59 for Finance in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was trust.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mark Carney  Senior Associate Deputy Minister, G-7 Deputy for Canada, Department of Finance
Robert Wright  Deputy Minister, Department of Finance
Bob Hamilton  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Dianne Urquhart  Independent Consulting Analyst, As an Individual
George Kesteven  President, Canadian Association of Income Funds
Brent Fullard  President and Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Association of Income Trust Investors
Andrew Teasdale  Total Asset Management Research & Investment Rights Consultancy
Cameron Renkas  Royalty and Income Trust Analyst, BMO Capital Markets
William Gleberzon  Co-Director, Government and Media Relations, Canada's Association for the Fifty-Plus

1:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Association of Income Funds

George Kesteven

Are you referring to our budget? Our budget is nowhere near millions of dollars. Our budget is perhaps, for the organization in its entirety, between $1 million and $2 million for an entire year.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

If you're under the impression that the decision is not going to change or is going to remain the same, why would you not use those funds and invest them on behalf of your investors?

1:20 p.m.

President, Canadian Association of Income Funds

George Kesteven

Because we hope at some point the minister comes to his senses and realizes that this is a fiscal policy error.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Ms. Urquhart.

1:20 p.m.

Independent Consulting Analyst, As an Individual

Dianne Urquhart

I just want to make the point that unless I'm not completely up to date, the CAITI members comprise the coalition of energy income trusts; Borden Ladner Gervais; PricewaterhouseCoopers; approximately six structured product investment managers; and, the last time I looked at it, four individuals. I'm sure that's higher by now. So I'd like to indicate that the CAITI does not represent a million Canadians. It largely represents the structured investment managers, a lawyer, a law firm, and an accounting firm that reaped the $2.5 billion of revenues; it isn't a grassroots income trust ownership association.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Could I respond to that?

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

No, your time is done, Mr. Dykstra.

Thank you very much to our panels for being here.

Mr. McCallum, did you want to bring a motion now?

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

I won't now.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Brian Pallister

All right. Thank you very much, panellists, for being here. I appreciate your participation in the process.

Thank you all.

We're adjourned.