Call the vote.
Evidence of meeting #19 for Finance in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was let's.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Evidence of meeting #19 for Finance in the 39th Parliament, 2nd session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was let's.
A recording is available from Parliament.
Conservative
Dean Del Mastro Conservative Peterborough, ON
We'll call the vote. That's fine. The only thing I'd point out, Mr. Chair, is that every single government in every province agreed with the federal government's assertion, and that's the only thing I'd like to point out again. They want to go backwards; let's go forward.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
Okay, let's not debate anymore.
Are we all clear on the motion?
(Motion negatived)
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
Concerning the previous motion which we passed, that is to say my own, we had talked about holding a hearing to debate it. Will that be on Wednesday of this week?
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
If you mean for this motion, no.
I would just remind everyone that we have a motion by this committee to have this document--the report--which takes precedence, done by February 8. It will be the priority this week and next to make sure this is accomplished. As soon as that takes place, then I believe we can facilitate--
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
As for this study, we must have time to read the report. We only received it today. If there are divergent opinions, we will probably clarify the rules but we don't necessarily have to discuss this on Wednesday of this week, nor next Monday or Wednesday. In my view, we can raise the matter of the motion I have introduced at a meeting so that this gets settled and we can devote the other hearings to the report on the prebudget consultations.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
My understanding regarding your motion is that it was different from the pre-budget report, but it is something we will take up as soon as we are finished with the business. That really shouldn't take very long, because I'm hoping to get most of the committee's work on the report completed this week. I know that's optimistic, but we'll get into that later in the meeting when we go in camera. I would assume that we could then get into your motion immediately after that.
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
We agreed earlier but perhaps we misunderstood each other. I had understood that we would be devoting one meeting to the motion as soon as possible so that we could then pass it. I was ready to vote on it immediately. I would like us to schedule a meeting as quickly as possible to discuss it, either this Wednesday or next Monday. As to the report as such, by the time we have studied it and proposed amendments, this may take us to...
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
I believe Wednesday of next week would be the time that would facilitate that meeting.
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
I think that next Wednesday, Mr. Chairman, we will be finalizing the comprehensive report, which is to be tabled on February 8. That will be the priority. I would prefer that the meeting to debate the motion I introduced, which people were ready to discuss with a view to passing it, be held either this Wednesday or next Monday, and that this be done within the context of the consultation.
Liberal
Massimo Pacetti Liberal Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel, QC
Mr. Chairman, on a point of order, on the notice of motion, from what I can recall, I had suggested that we put in a couple of meetings, and everybody voted that down. When you asked for a vote, you didn't ask for it on an amended motion. You asked on the motion as is, and my understanding is that members who voted for it voted for this motion.
Now, all of a sudden, we have meetings scheduled. Nobody accepted my amended motion, and now, all of a sudden, we're going back. Members from--
Bloc
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
Okay, fair enough, and I'm going to try to clarify it.
That's why I asked the mover of the motion how long it would take him to accomplish what he wanted in the motion, and his reply to the committee was “two meetings”. That's what I understood.
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
I said yesterday that I was ready to vote on it immediately and I wanted to know if some of you wanted to add motions. If everyone is ready to vote on it right now let us do so and the matter will be settled. We have to clarify the situation. The motion was tabled within the prescribed deadline and we can vote on it. I had thought that people might want additional time to clear up certain points or call witnesses but if we are all in agreement to vote on it and consider it immediately let us vote on the substance without debating it and we won't have to devote any more time to it. We can simply vote on it now.
Liberal
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
Just hang on. Give me a minute with the clerk and I'll let you know what we come up with.
I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I will review the blues to make sure exactly what definition was presented before the committee, and we'll deal with this on Wednesday afternoon at the beginning of the meeting to make sure we're clear. If it is as Mr. Crête says, we can do a motion right away. If not, then we'll discuss it at that time, and I'll make a ruling.
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
We have to clarify the situation in order to be certain that we understand each other.
I am moving the motion as it stands. If somebody wants us to devote some time to it let him introduce an amendment and we will debate it. It will either be accepted or rejected but then we will vote on the motion in its entirety, amended or not.
I think I am in part responsible for this confusion. In order to simplify the situation let us vote on whether or not members are ready to vote on the motion. If someone has an amendment to move let him do so; for instance, someone may want us to devote one or two meetings to it, and we will see wether this will be accepted or not. I come back to the fact that it is the committee that recommends these measures and I of course hope that they will be passed as quickly as possible.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield
I understand that's your position on it, and as the chair, I want to make sure we follow exactly what we moved in that motion.
My understanding was--and I spoke about this with the clerk--that I asked for a definition of how many meetings the mover of the motion required to accomplish this. The decision was one or two. That was what I heard, so I want to go back into the blues to make sure the committee heard this. I asked the mover for that definition.
Bloc
Paul Crête Bloc Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, QC
Right from the outset I said that I was willing to vote on it immediately and willing to consider the possibility of holding meetings to discuss the matter. I am not the one who suggested that we add something; I was willing to vote on it immediately.
