The numbers or the examples are legion. First of all, in the main, the people in Ottawa have no experience in fisheries management and no experience in fisheries. They simply direct money to their specifics. We've seen SEP reduced dramatically over the timeframe. On habitat stock, the habitat protection budget has been reduced by 90%. Ottawa controls the budget and puts it where it wants to, and we're saying that we want the people of British Columbia and the people out here--
On September 28th, 2009. See this statement in context.