We would suggest that it's both. We need both the degree programs that would give us engineers and we need the apprenticeship, and in some cases we need the short courses. One of the challenges we face in this province is the entry-level folks, referenced earlier, regarding the work around mines. In the mining sector you have to have grade 12 in order to be employed in most cases. If you live in a northern community, you want to stay in that community, and you don't have grade 12, you can't get a job that will pay $70,000 and allow you to stay in the community you choose.
Post-secondary facilities are now being forced or encouraged or on their own are training people to that grade 12 type of program, that skill enhancement. We need it from the completion of grade 12 in the post-secondary facility all the way to the engineering post-grad programs and so on. It's literally across the board in this province.