Certainly we would make no argument against a child care program. That isn't included in our brief, but we believe this would certainly help the children in the working poor families, for people to earn additional income and so on. As Mr. Martin mentioned a few minutes ago, we find there are many children living in poverty even though their parents work full time, at full-year-equivalent jobs. So child care is an important part of that, but we believe it should start with the national child benefit.
Yes, $5 billion is a lot of money in anybody's books, but what we point out here is that every study, every piece of research that is done, shows that living in poverty, even for a year, can have a serious, long-term damaging effect on a child's prospects. We would consider this an investment in the future, an investment against long-term poverty and people slipping into the poverty cycle, and of course other long-term harmful effects that come from that, including involvement in crime and so on.