Evidence of meeting #57 for Finance in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was year.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Patrick Halley  Chief, Tariffs and Market Acess, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Philippe Hall  Senior Economist, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Colette Downie  Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry
Gérard Lalonde  Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Tim Wach  Director of Legislative Development, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Chris Forbes  General Director, Federal-Provincial Relations and Social Policy, Department of Finance
Dominique La Salle  Acting Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Income Security and Social Development, Department of Human Resources and Social Development Canada
Shane Williamson  Executive Director, Knowledge Infrastructure Program, Department of Industry
Wayne Foster  Senior Chief, Financial Markets Division, Department of Finance
Nicholas Phillips  Senior Economist, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance
Bill Matthews  Acting Assistant Comptroller General, Financial Management and Analysis Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

4:40 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

I'm not sure I understand the question. Why is the home renovation tax credit in the bill?

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Why does it have to be in a bill? Why wasn't this done by the minister unilaterally?

4:40 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

It's a change to the tax law, a change to the Income Tax Act.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

But it's a reduction in tax, isn't it?

4:40 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

That's correct. It's a tax credit, and you have to legislate tax credits in order for them to be in place eventually.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Doesn't there just have to be a ways and means motion?

4:40 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

A ways and means motion is a statement of the government's intent to implement a measure. Generally speaking, the government tables a notice of ways and means motion with the budget. That motion is voted on and you get an agreement in principle from....

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

So this will happen regardless of whether this bill passes.

4:40 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

If it were to become abundantly clear to the Canada Revenue Agency that the HRTC was not going to be passed.... Currently, Parliament has agreed in principle to the ways and means motion that was tabled with the budget, and the CRA will continue administering it on that basis until such time as it becomes clear that Parliament will not pass it.

So, for example, if Parliament were to defeat this bill, then the CRA would have to suspend its administration of the measure.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

It's equally plausible that the government will decide to dissolve itself in the beginning of the new year prior to royal assent. There are all kinds of scenarios by which this bill may not pass.

Is this also true with respect to the first-time homebuyers' tax credit?

4:45 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

If the government were to dissolve, but not because this bill was defeated, then it would not have been a decision of the government to defeat this particular measure, and as a result, the CRA would continue to administer it, as I say, until such time as it becomes apparent from the government of the day or from Parliament that this measure will not be proceeded with.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

So it's a tax credit, regardless.

I just want to make sure that it's true of the first-time homebuyers' tax credit as well.

4:45 p.m.

Director, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance

Gérard Lalonde

That's true.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

John McKay Liberal Scarborough—Guildwood, ON

Thank you.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Monsieur Laforest.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Part II of Bill C-51 amends the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act. There are a few unanticipated consequences of the former act arising from the previous amendments to the act. Bill C-51 changes those consequences.

What is the impact of implementing what Bill C-51 changes regarding the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act?

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry

Colette Downie

The amendments that are proposed to the bankruptcy and insolvency legislation are technical amendments. They do such things as correct cross-references that were incorrect as a result of two bills being in the House at the same time on the same subject. As a result of some drafting errors, the updated definition of “eligible financial contracts”—commonly known as “derivatives”—that was supposed to be introduced was not brought into force.

So it would just correct provisions and the cross-references that would allow those changes to come into force. They contain no new policy changes; they're just technical amendments.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

They aren't major changes.

4:45 p.m.

Director General, Marketplace Framework Policy Branch, Department of Industry

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Jean-Yves Laforest Bloc Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you both.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Merci, Monsieur Laforest.

We'll go to Mr. Wallace, please.

October 27th, 2009 / 4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Thank you. Mr. Chair.

I think we also have only one round of questions and then we may be done.

I do appreciate Mr. McKay's pointing out that we do need to get this bill passed. The only way things would happen is if they forced an election on the public, which nobody wants, including probably most of you on the other side of the table. Otherwise, Parliament has spoken. Our intention is that we want to get this passed so that we can get to the WITB and all those other tax issues there.

I may be following up on what Mr. Laforest had to say, because I may have missed it. I understand everything; I just want some clarification on the multilateral debt relief part. Is this to allow us to provide aid that we've promised? What are we actually doing in here?

4:45 p.m.

Senior Economist, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance

Philippe Hall

We're actually just changing the process by which we go about implementing the multilateral debt relief initiative. It used to be included as an item in our main estimates in the Department of Finance's vote 5.

4:45 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

I love estimates, but anyway....

4:45 p.m.

Senior Economist, International Trade and Finance, Department of Finance

Philippe Hall

Excuse me?