But if you look at some of the innovation that's coming out of our traditional sectors--for instance, the extractive sector and the oil and gas sector--we have to consider what we can do in terms of government policy to encourage your members to spin off those technologies, perhaps with new companies, new ventures that will be valued differently and that could attract separate pools of capital.
There has to be a way that we take what is already going on in terms of innovation within your sectors and encourage your members to spin them off in terms of new ventures. And that's a longer discussion, I realize.