I can't really add much to what Mr. Owens said, because I don't have any personal knowledge of it.
I've actually followed the activities of this particular debate quite closely. I have felt that taxation is so fundamental in so many areas that I've engaged in it myself, historically. How can we tell how much money, such as these numbers we're hearing here, are out of those tax havens? We don't know.
The whole purpose of Jeffrey Owens' work is to create these taxation information and exchange agreements that the G-20, which Mr. Brisson has told us are significant.... I think the pressure from the G-20 is very significant in ensuring that these other jurisdictions that are so dependent upon the G-20....
I mean, Switzerland was very difficult, for example. Switzerland has moved a long way in the last few years. Now, why is that? Well, it's because Switzerland has a lot of interests other than just the banking sector and other than just bank secrecy, and so on. It's because of the pressure from European countries, the United States, Canada, and others that these countries will come around. That's what has to happen. The pressure must come from outside, and it is. It's happening. But as Mr. Owens probably told you, it's not complete yet. Everyone is off the blacklist, but that doesn't mean that everybody is conforming to the tax information exchange agreements. That's why there's an audit that goes on. There's a whole series of criteria that are applied to determine whether they are conforming.
I would say to give it a couple of years and see how much progress we make. If you collected a billion dollars last year, maybe you'll collect another billion this year. I mean, I don't know. But we're talking serious money. We do know that.