I think where the difference lies is that for the companies that have the big DB plans, the size of the liabilities and assets in those pension plans and of the deficits—especially what we've been experiencing—can completely swamp the whole company. The costs of environmental and other issues are probably somewhat smaller for most organizations than the impact of financing that deficit is for the big, well-known companies that have been around for decades and decades. The pension costs or liabilities of quite a number of organizations are certainly bigger than half the assets of the company, but for many of them they're actually bigger than the company itself. For those organizations trying to raise cash, let me just give you an example—
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