If we freeze the direct program spending in nominal terms, it's somewhere in the neighbourhood of $115 billion, so we're saying almost flat or negative growth over the next five years.
That direct program spending, as you say, will fall very dramatically. The question for us, and what we would like to provide to parliamentarians, is what will the impact be? In that context, what programs are being eliminated? What is being done to efficiency measures? What's being done in the context of public service? There's analysis for us to do.
Again, that is almost a record low level of direct program spending.