I didn't mean to suggest that the existing tribunal members are not trained.
What I thought I said was that it's difficult for them to be constantly abreast of the constantly changing policies associated with these three programs, and particularly with the employment insurance program, which is, as you know, a labour market program and needs to be extremely adaptable to the ever-changing and broad labour market program.
So on the employment insurance side, we actually provide something like a hundred annual information sessions to board or referee members who attend these sessions. They are trained. As soon as the legislation changes, the information sessions are updated to provide an overview of the training. They're also provided with training on jurisprudence that is coming through the system that they may not otherwise be aware of. So yes, they are very well trained. They are giving fair decisions, but they do it part time.