Finance Committee on May 17th, 2012

Evidence of meeting #61 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was transfer.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Bill C-38, An Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 29, 2012 and other measures

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Glenn Campbell Director, International Policy and Analysis Division , Department of Finance

Gilles Moreau Director General, National Compensation, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Department of Public Safety

Jonathan Roy Senior Policy Analyst, Social Policy, Health, Justice, Culture, Department of Finance

Daniel MacDonald Chief, Federal-Provincial Relations Division, CHT/CST and Northern Policy, Department of Finance

John Davies Director General, National Security Policy, Department of Public Safety

Darryl Hirsch Senior Policy Analyst, Intelligence Policy and Coordination, Department of Public Safety

Nigel Harrison Manager, Legislative and Parliamentary Affairs, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

David Gillis Director General, Ecosystems and Oceans Science Sector, Department of Fisheries and Oceans

David Lee Director, Office of Legislative and Regulatory Modernization; Policy, Planning and International Affairs Directorate, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health

Samuel Godefroy Director General, Food Directorate, Health Products and Food Branch, Department of Health

Alwyn Child Director General, Program Development and Guidance Directorate, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Annette Nicholson Secretary and General Counsel, International Development Research Centre (IDRC)

Lenore Duff Senior Director, Strategic Policy and Legislative Reform, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Nathalie Martel Director, Old Age Security Policy, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Bruno Rodrigue Chief, Social policy, Income Security, Department of Finance

Annette Vermaeten Director, Task Force, Special Projects, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Eileen Boyd Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, Senior Personnel, Privy Council Office

Neil Bouwer Vice-President, Policy and Programs, Canadian Food Inspection Agency

Lynn Tassé Director, Canada Gazette, Department of Public Works and Government Services

Gerard Peets Senior Director, Strategy and Planning Directorate, Department of Industry

Patricia Brady Director, Investment, Insolvency, Competition and Corporate Policy Directorate, Department of Industry

Andy Lalonde Manager, Preclearance, Canada Border Services Agency, Department of Public Safety

Lynn Hemmings Senior Chief, Payments, Payments and Pensions, Financial Sector Policy Branch, Department of Finance

7:45 p.m.

Chief, Social policy, Income Security, Department of Finance

Bruno Rodrigue

I understand very well.

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NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do you have an idea of the current per capita cost of the program?

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Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

That information is in the actuarial report. We will have to find it.

7:45 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Approximately what amount does that represent?

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Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

We'll have to check.

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NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do you know what the per capita cost of the program will be once it is in effect? We were talking about the year when people would be 67 years of age. Do we have those figures 2029?

7:45 p.m.

Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

The figures we currently have are those appearing in the actuarial report prepared by the chief actuary of Canada.

7:45 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do you have the figures for 2029.

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Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

From the ninth report? Yes.

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NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

That includes the per capita cost?

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Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

Yes, we have those figures.

7:45 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

I would appreciate if you sent them to us.

May 17th, 2012 / 7:50 p.m.

Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

All right.

7:50 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

In the meantime, I'm going—

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Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

But here we are talking about the figures on the program as it was in 2009.

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Chief, Social policy, Income Security, Department of Finance

Bruno Rodrigue

And your question concerns the change?

7:50 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

That's correct. So you don't have those figures?

7:50 p.m.

Chief, Social policy, Income Security, Department of Finance

Bruno Rodrigue

No.

7:50 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

All right.

Ms. Nash asked you how many program beneficiaries there are. Do you also know how many beneficiaries there will be later, in 2029?

7:50 p.m.

Chief, Social policy, Income Security, Department of Finance

Bruno Rodrigue

Perhaps the projections for 2030 are available in the current report.

7:50 p.m.

Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

Are you talking about the current design of the program?

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NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

I'm talking about the amended program.

7:50 p.m.

Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

No, we have those figures.

7:50 p.m.

NDP

Hoang Mai NDP Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Nothing has been calculated for that.

7:50 p.m.

Director General, Seniors and Pensions Policy Secretariat, Department of Human Resources and Skills Development

Dominique La Salle

The chief actuary is preparing that.