I find that whenever there's a debate about carbon, people quickly move to a position where they think that because natural gas is a hydrocarbon—it's the simplest hydrocarbon, but it's a hydrocarbon—therefore we have to think about getting rid of it.
I find that the more we can talk about driving efficiency and innovation, the more we can achieve a variety of environmental benefits, including emission reductions—and emission reductions are one of many environmental benefits.
We have a real hurdle to jump within the gas industry because of that carbon debate, so very often we try to jump right over it and make the point that we can deliver on a better environment, if you start considering how this fuel can be used.
I will give you an example. In the city of Toronto—I actually live in Ms. Nash's riding, Parkdale—High Park—the discussion that emerges around hydrocarbons is one that often forecloses any debate about the use of natural gas.
Combined heat and power projects can be built in the city of Toronto using natural gas, which could deliver extraordinary benefits in terms of a reduction of energy costs, a reduction of a variety of impacts, but it is very hard to get to that discussion when the premise is always about carbon.