Mr. Fréchette himself pointed out the aging population and the impact of demographics on this financially. It makes it really hard to believe that we really have a sustainable situation. If one takes into account provinces, territories, municipalities, aboriginal governments, what you call the PTLA, it's not, would you say, sustainable as a consequence if all of that debt is included with the national numbers?
On October 29th, 2013. See this statement in context.