I think we will be able to solve the aboriginal issues. I think we need to play our cards close to the chest for the time being, because certainly no one wants that kind of thing to be said publicly; it just raises hackles. We have, as I said, spoken to 25 chiefs directly so far; we have not had a solid no. There are a couple who are going to be a little tougher to convince—and they have been publicly dismissive of Northern Gateway—but even those two are saying “David, you show us statistics that prove your statement that modern pipelines are safe and we will change our minds.” I can show them those statistics; they are available. So I'm quite confident that we will get almost all, if not all, of the first nations on side.
They do understand that if it doesn't come by pipeline, the pressures are such that it will come by rail. They do understand that that is not as good, that is not as safe, and it is much more disruptive of small town life—there are a lot of level crossings out here in the west—because it would add 12 trains a day, and of course there's no extra money in it for first nations or for the communities and the tax base, whereas if you put a pipeline through, there's a lot of extra money. They do understand that there are a lot of reasons for this.
We're in Kitimat right now talking again to three of the first nations and the town councils, just keeping everybody up to speed, and it's going very well.