Evidence of meeting #39 for Finance in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was amendment.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Ernewein  General Director, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Ted Cook  Senior Legislative Chief, Tax Legislation Division, Tax Policy Branch, Department of Finance
Bernard Butler  Director General, Policy Division, Policy, Communications and Commemoration Branch, Department of Veterans Affairs
Suzy McDonald  Director General, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health
Jason Wood  Director, Policy and Program Development, Workplace Hazardous Materials Directorate, Healthy Environments and Consumer Safety Branch, Department of Health
Brian McCauley  Assistant Commissioner, Canada Revenue Agency
Denise Frenette  Vice-President, Finance and Corporate Services, Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency
Soren Halverson  Senior Chief, Corporate Finance and Asset Management, Department of Finance
Wayne Foster  Director, Securities Policies, Department of Finance
James Wu  Chief, Financial Institutions Analysis, Department of Finance
Donald Roussel  Acting Associate Assistant Deputy Minister, Safety and Security, Department of Transport
Kash Ram  Director General, Road Safety and Motor Vehicle Regulation, Department of Transport
Michel Leclerc  Director, Regulatory Affairs Coordination, Department of Transport
Colin Spencer James  Director, Policy and Program Design, Temporary Foreign Workers, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Darlene Carreau  Chairperson, Trade-marks Opposition Board, Department of Industry
Nathalie Martel  Director, Old Age Security Policy, Income Security and Social Development Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development
Thao Pham  Assistant Deputy Minister, Federal Montreal Bridges, Department of Transport
France Pégeot  Special Advisor to the Deputy Minister, Department of Justice
Ann Chaplin  Senior General Counsel, Department of Justice
Atiq Rahman  Director, Operational Policy and Research, Department of Employment and Social Development

10:50 p.m.

NDP

Murray Rankin NDP Victoria, BC

Thank you for that information.

(Clause 377 agreed to)

10:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

There are no amendments for clauses 378 to 482. Can I group these together?

10:50 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Well, we'll—

10:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Yes? Okay? That's a great idea? Wonderful.

10:50 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

It's okay up to clause 420.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Up to clause 420 it's okay? All right. I'll take it.

(Clauses 378 to 420 inclusive agreed to)

(On clause 421)

What would you like to do there, Monsieur Caron?

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

According to the rather compelling evidence we heard, especially from the Canadian Bar Association, integrating the Canadian Industrial Relations Board into the new administrative tribunal will lead to a loss of expertise when it comes to administering the Canada Labour Code.

For that reason, we will vote against this clause and ask for a recorded vote.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

We'll have a recorded vote on clause 421.

(Clause 421 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)

Can I group clauses 422 to 482?

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

You can for clauses 422 to 423.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay.

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

(Clauses 422 and 423 agreed to)

(On clause 424)

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Monsieur Caron.

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

This clause and the ones that follow are designed to integrate the Canadian International Trade Tribunal into the new administrative tribunal. However, several witnesses told the committee that doing so could lead to a loss of expertise, even legal challenges under World Trade Organization rules. It would be reckless to adopt this clause without undertaking a more in-depth study, an idea the government seems to be resistant to.

Therefore, we are again asking for a recorded vote in this case.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Can I apply the previous recorded vote to this recorded vote?

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Yes.

(Clause 424 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Those two clauses carry according to the previous recorded vote. Thank you.

Can I group clauses 426 to 482?

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

Actually we're at clause 425 right now.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

I thought you wanted clauses 424 and 425 together.

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

No, it was only for clause 424. But I'll do clause 425.

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Nathan Cullen NDP Skeena—Bulkley Valley, BC

He wanted the vote to apply to clause 424, and he wanted to comment on clause 425.

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

That's right. We can apply what was on clause 421 to clause 424. That's what I meant.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

Okay.

(On clause 425)

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

This will also be fast.

The clause pertains to the integration of the Public Servants Disclosure Protection Tribunal into the new tribunal. That completely flies in the face of the tribunal's mandate of protecting whistleblowers. The tribunal is losing some independence, and that could deter potential whistleblowers from reporting wrongdoing.

That is why we are going to vote against this clause. I would like a recorded vote, and it can indeed be applied to the others.

10:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Rajotte

The last recorded vote applies to clause 425.

(Clause 425 agreed to: yeas 5; nays 4)

So how far can I go then?

10:55 p.m.

NDP

Guy Caron NDP Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, QC

You can go up to clause 482.